maygra: (annoyed fangirl)
It is entirely possible to respect a person's right to their opinion and not respect a particular opinion. It's also possible to disagree with another person's opinion and still respect the person.

It is nearly impossible to respect a person whose opinion includes the view that anyone who disagrees with their opinion deserves no respect, and furthermore, because their views differ, are morally bankrupt, ethically void, and possibly the root of all evil.

And seriously? People who write (or read) incest are no more likely to be advocating for it in real life than people who write (or read) h/c kidfic are advocating for child abuse.

addendum

May. 17th, 2007 06:27 pm
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back in 2003 I wrote a rant about fannish entitlement that was prompted by an entirely other incident...but the end of it was rather weirdly echoing of what's going on both in regards to my previous post and of several discussions I've taken part of post the Asylum convention regarding fannish behavior.

The old rant is [[here]].

It's not flocked.


Whether its the hither and yon of asking actors and studio execs about fan fiction, the reposting of vids on you tube, the righteousness of fans telling other fans what they should and should not write, whether you think fanfic is willful but ultimately harmless infringement (I do) or a prime but untested case of "fair use", (I do this also) nobody but nobody can best us or top us when it comes to doing damage to each other both personally and culturally.

To some extent, that's a good thing, because social pressure, peer pressure can be a good thing when done in moderation. We have a loose social contract formed by a mostly common interest -- the extension of media sources beyond what is authorized and promoted and yes, part of a legal framework of ownership and economic viabilty. We are, collectively, mostly moderate and conservative in our ventures beyond the realms of fandom. We have worked for years to get fan fiction and fan culture into, not the mainstream of public consciousness, but into the somewhat more removed halls of academia and cultural studies. Some of us take our fan interactions very, very seriously and some of us flit and dance and don't take it seriously at all.

Usually, the commonality of being fans actually provides the ground zero for at least the basis of mutual enjoyment and if not actual friendship, at least civility.

But not always.

Basically, it comes down to this: despite every bugabear about studio smackdowns, despite every actual case of a C&D letter delivered and observed: in the end we are our own worst enemy.

And for those of you in denial about the frequency or efficacy of those C&D letters, please, get a grip. Corporations are perfectly capable of enforcing their copyrights and trademarks without any help from us. I'm sure they all know how to use google, and they can be completely arbitrary about where and when they choose to enforce those rights --I give Fanlib.com six months.

Really. We are. One fan has no more legal or moral or ethical authority than any other. And I'm not in any way missing the irony of me posting this, or any other rant I've posted, with that in mind.

Fans stepping into a situation and deciding to act on behalf of fandom, isn't anything new. Sometimes it's a sincere but misguided attempt to provide some benefit or even protection for fans. Sometimes it's a lot more personal and selfish. Sometimes it really is altruistic, and some times it's merely vicious.

But really, if you're going to do it? I've got a request of you, just two questions I want you to ask yourself:

Who or what are you trying to protect, and who and what are you trying to help?

And if neither of those questions actually apply to your intervention, then seriously, what are you doing? And why?

You'll notice I didn't ask anyone not to do it.

This post is not flocked.

Note: Also, please to be reading [livejournal.com profile] cesperanza [[here]], for lo, she is smart and her words are tasty.

maygra: (SPN - home)
I just responded to [livejournal.com profile] jcf013's post[here]. This is not an invitation or subliminal (or not so subliminal) directive to go pounce upon her journal or her person or make this a bigger thing that it is. But something she said, kind of encapsulated the whole reason this kind of bullshit actually does get under my skin.

She wrote (among other points regarding her response to Pert's post)
Her point was that there are a LOT of us out here that don't get any love while the same twenty people seem to hoard it all for themselves.

And I responded with:
And therein lies my problem. I do not disagree that some authors and some stories seem to get a disproportionate amount of feedback for reasons that *may* seem unfair or related to either popularity or familiarity.

However, your statement implies and underlying feeling or impression that those fans, those popular and well known BNF's -- of which I was identified as one -- are *actively* trying to persuade fandom at large not just to leave more comments on their stories but to also actively keep people from commenting on other people's stories.

And you know what? That may be what you actually feel or believe but neither your feeling nor impertinence's belief actually make that true. What it does do is perpetuate the feeling that BNF's -- again, myself included -- are actively trying to make fannish experience miserable for other people and all else aside?

I resent the hell out of that implication.

++++
And she replied that she didn't imply it. I inferred it. Fair point.

++++ )
maygra: (I prefer an audience)
To this: post, I have only this to say:

I have never read Proust.



...



Okay, and this:

If I hold a gun to your head and force you to read my fic until your eyes bleed, OR

I withhold food and water from you until you write me lengthy, heart-felt and, most of all, flattering comments on everything I post, OR

I badmouth you in public and tell the whole world I think you need to get over the fact that you are not getting the attention you think you deserve...

THEN and only then, can you accuse me of oppressing you.

I will then flex my mighty BNF hands and dismiss you...

You may now leave the fandom.

Just move fucking fast before I beat you to the door.

And yes, I know that's not what she meant, but at the same time... bite me. I don't care if you read my stories or like my prose. I am not a postulant to the Holy Mother of Fannish Obligation.

10:28PM Edit: I am going to bed. I was up at 5:30 this morning and I have two different charity orgs coming tomorrow to haul stuff off. And how utterly stupid do I feel for feeling like I need to tell people I'm going to bed, as opposed to merely callously blowing off your much appreciated and often hysterically funny comments.

I am going to take a cue from [livejournal.com profile] estrella30 though: I am not going to apologize for enjoying writing and posting stories. I'm not going to apologize for the fact that people, all kinds of people, like those stories and have the kindness and make the effort to tell me so. I am not going to apologize for being friends with other people, some of whom also write stories people like, or who make vids people like, or who write meta people like.

I am not going to apologize for doing things that make me happy, and that bring happiness and fun to other people.

This kind of bullshit, however, is not fun. If you don't like my stuff -- fair enough. Please, please by all means go find and comment and support people and work you do like. No harm, no foul.

Good night, ya'll.
maygra: (Default)
I probably owe shout outs to a lot of people; in fact I know I do, but I'm going to hit only one: [livejournal.com profile] amothea You're a doll. I won't reiterate the conclusion you've already come to, but I will say thank you and sincerely wish you never feel called upon to do that again. Nobody, including me, is worth putting yourself through that, honey. But you know, your choice. Just thank you.

It's entirely possible I will take this down at some point, or make it private, but for now…

If you click, be aware that I am unreasonably and irrationally pissed off. )
maygra: (Default)
In no other genre of literature that I can think of does the very nature of the genre ensure an audience starts from a common place as does fan fiction. For the most part, the intended audience, the readership in any given fandom, share the same source, are aware of the same back history of the characters, share a visual reference for the characters and the locations and style of a show.

Where we are on the same track - Intro )

Let's start with the audio portion of our program, shall we? )
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When I first got on line and stumbled over the thing we now ubiquitously call "media fandom", the huge brouhaha at the time in HL fandom was a disagreement some fans had with a single individual who had compiled a massive amount of links, trying to bring a central location to all of the HL sites from archives to script transcripts sites and everything in between, including a lot of people's individual sites and homepages.

Now, while online fandom had come into being and was steadily growing, there was still a lot of nervousness by fans who came in from off-line fandom who had been involved in or witnessed any number of unpleasant examples of TPTB flexing their muscle a bit. Or who had only heard about them -- friend of a friend of a friend was C&D'd and dire consequences awaited them.

It was scary stuff. It still is. Not so much because of the (mostly) idle threat of having your site (or your press) shut down, or the fear of actual court litigation, but in terms of exposure and potential liability, most fans reacted with a certain amount of skittishness. Being sued is absolutely a possibility. It doesn't seem to happen very often -- even for people who are C&D'd in the case of Trademark violation. (Which, from a legal standpoint, is a highly tetchy issue (because unlike copyright -- in the abstract -- Trademark *does* have to be defended over and over, or you do lose your right to sole use of the Trademark. Copyright cannot be lost -- however, it is possible for an artist to lose the sole exclusive right to make a profit on their work in some cases -- it's a sticky wicket to be sure.) However, (and any legal eagles feel free to correct me,) violation of copyright is a civil action, not a criminal one. Financial damages can be assessed against an infringer, but actual jail time isn't really an issue.

Back to the King of Links. A lot of people objected to this, because he would include links without permission. And upon being requested to remove a link, he would refuse. Threats were made, arguments were voiced, flame wars erupted, and the King of Links held fast. There was nothing, nothing anyone could legally do to enforce their will on him. He baited and dared people to take him to court. He posted his own legal defenses comments on the then very sketchy approach to copyright, privacy and the internet.

It went on for months. Eventually people lost interest, or he did, and as far as I know, the link page is still there but most, if not all, the links are worthless. I doubt seriously that anyone ever took him up on his invitation to court. And shortly thereafter, Geocities appeared on the scene and a few other free hosting services and on-line fandom pretty much exploded across the internet.

But his argument then boiled down to something that still holds true. If you put it on the net, and someone can find it, be it a homepage, a picture, artwork, vids, stories or your personal resume, you have pretty much lost the ability to maintain control over that bit of data You can put up all the warnings and pleas you like, you can password protect your site, you can make it unsearchable by search engines and robots, but if one person posts that picture elsewhere, or that story, or that password…you've lost the battle. Oh, you can take your stuff and move it. You can scream and shout and stomp your feet and threaten to have them TOS'd by their ISP's. You can defame their name from here until kingdom come. But in reality, your methods of control are limited and rarely infallible.

To some extent, however, you can rely on the integrity of other fans to respect what boundaries you set. But that only goes so far. One fan who has no respect for anyone's boundaries, whose focus is entirely fixated on what they want and how best to get it, is all it takes to undo the good intentions of a thousand other fans. It doesn’t matter if you are right or wrong. The deed is done.

And in the nether gray world of fanfiction, fan art and fan vids, of thousands of faceless, pseudonymed participants in the hundred-plus areas of interest that is online fandom, those few people make all the difference. You can't trust them. You can't reason with them. You can't protect yourself from them and still participate on every level in every area you would like to. You can't depend on them to use common sense or common courtesy in dealing with material that is already dancing the thin wire between illegality and fair-use. They will take your work and post it elsewhere. They will take your stories and put their names on them and cry foul when you cry plagiarism -- because you, of course, don't have any legal claim to the source material either, so how can it be yours?

You cannot expect that everyone will share your ethical boundaries. While there are most certainly a lot of people who will join you in the sandbox and happily share your toys with you, there are those who will take your toys and run away with them.

And there is not, realistically, one damn thing you can do about it, except to do your very best to minimize your risk.

For most of my fannish life, my concerns have been primarily focused on not bringing enough attention to myself (or my fandom) to make the TPTB look around and notice. They seem, for the most part, willing and able to ignore me and mine as long as I don't try to make them look like idiots or fools, or try to somehow capitalize monetarily from my ill-gotten gains and hours of source material.

But the new boogey-man isn't really Fox networks, or Mutant Enemy, or George Lucas, or Anne Rice. And this boogey-man really isn't new. He/she is just an email address away, or on the next LJ or one of the people on your favorite mailing lists. He/she really isn't so much out to get *you* as he/she is out for him/herself. The boogey-man is the fan right next to you.

Some people call this boogey-man a sense of entitlement -- I've used the term myself. But even in doing so, I'm admitting that there are people out there whose ethical choices don't mesh with mine, whose rationale is so far afield from mine I can't even fathom it. We have nothing in common save for the one thing above all -- fandom.

So, the choices presented to any fan are pretty limited. And honestly, as in the movie Wargames, the only real way to win is not to play.

But if you play, be very careful about what you risk. The actual risk of losing control of your fannish output, of your creativity is pretty small in the grand percentages of these things, but it only has to happen once for you to feel violated and betrayed. If you don't want people to steal your vids, don't leave them up on your servers for long if at all. Password your site. If you don't want your stories to be taken and plagiarized don't archive them from here to everywhere. Change your URLS frequently. Be paranoid.

Or not. Raise the hue and cry if you are violated and pray that some of your basic ethical standards will be recognized. Defy the odds, and leave yourself wide open, your work available, and your creative output undaunted.

Or find someplace in the middle. Know that it can happen to you. Know that while Public Domain really isn't a status associated with every bit of data out on the internet, public access is. Trust your friends, but know that not everyone on the internet is your friend or even friendly.

And when some asshat claims that because you're already infringing on copyright, that you have no control and no right to control your output or what happens to it -- be aware that he/she is correct. You have no *legal* right to claim ownership (you know, until some fan actually gets taken to court and *wins*.)

Fandom has no Geneva Convention. Fandom has no SEC dictate or court appointed jurisdiction to enforce ethical standards. There is no fandom police. Fandom has…fans.

And lest you think I'm fortelling doom in the manner of the three witches of Macbeth -- I'm not. I have some six sites with fiction, artwork, archives, journals, blogs, rants, raves, and resumes scattered about on the World Wide Web. One of them is passworded -- with a flimsy system at best meant primarily to ensure people read the disclaimers and understand what they are about to see and read, as opposed to try and protect myself from TPTB or protect myself from content theft by other fans. And the site is virtually mirrored elsewhere with no password. I rarely allow archiving, but I do allow links. I even occasionally change those links. I have no idea, really, how many people hit my sites in any given month. For all I know, no one is and few are reading. I don't make vids, but if I did, I probably wouldn't have them on the net, or if I did, I would have them password protected (and that really would be more in response to the RIAA's rather aggressive hunt & prosecution of copyright violaters of music and lyrics, than to save myself from TPTB of major television studios.)

I don't think fandom is an evil place. I don't think the majority of fans are anything but fairly reasonable, rational, and for the most part, respectful of the rights of ownership and fannish creativity as it applies to their fellow fen (even when they may be ripping said fan a new one, or disemboweling their latest story.)

But I do think some fans, possibly even the majority of fans, are being dangerously naïve if they think that all fen are created equal, or that the only threat to their continued enjoyment is TPTB.

The Powers That Be don't need to hunt us down or look for us. We have fellow fen who quite blithely point out our caves and cliff-dwellings, slums and condos with prideful glee at how clever we all are. Who mistakenly believe that physical, tangible proof of the adoration of fans will somehow be received gratefully and thrillingly by those same powers.

There are fans who view fannish output as common property, who believe they have the absolute right to take anything they find on the internet and put it toward their own use. They don't care what you think, what your friends think, or what other fans think. To them, your fannish output is merely an extension of the source material and since the use of that is already in legal question, they are in no further violation, or in any worse violation, of claiming or using or posting your work than they are of using the original source material. If you aren't respecting that very valid legal right, why should they be in any way concerned with your incredibly nebulous and grey right to your own derivative works?

Be really clear: I don't agree with this stance. I am a firm believer that fans have to police themselves, that it is possibly more important to respect one another and extend common courtesy if only because there is no other recourse once that unspoken agreement is breached. Someone else said it far better, (SilviaKundera said it best: " If you alienate the people who go about creating these things you love... you won't have any more. It's not terribly complicated logic."

At the same time, it's easy to forget that in the fast paced life we know as on-line fandom. It's easy to drop your guard. It's easy to forget people like the King of Links. Today's battleground is the next minute's old news. So, the pattern repeats itself.

Over and over.

And at the root of it all, is the same thorny problem: fans do what fans want to get more of what they want, when and how they want it. It's true of the fic writers posting to a half dozen lists and equally as many archives. It true of the screen cappers and the vidders and the artists. They want to create, they want to share, they want to hear back from the people enjoying the fruits of their labors or there would be no real reason to make any of it available in the public access forum that is the internet. The same is true of those whose "lack of respect" drives so many of us batshit or into temporary exile. They want to create, to be seen, to share, to get accolades. The motives are the same.

But the devil, as they say, is in the details. Your sense of entitlement to create or enjoy derivative works in the way you like is not a singly-defined, universally accepted standard.

Keep it in mind the next time you put something of "yours" out there for "them".

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