SPN: 5.14 My bloody valentine
Feb. 12th, 2010 02:23 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
maygraPersonally, I like dark chocolate wee bears, but that's just me. (Also, I keep forgetting this is over here. *facepalm*)
Whilst we consider the absence or presence of Dean's soul (which I'm not buying that it's absent -- damaged and hiding perhaps, but yeah, no;) since he obviously still cares and grieves and laughs and all those things that the soul is supposed to be the engine for, let us look at what did not happen in this episode -- like the fact that there's no reason to believe Famine's claim about the state or lack of state to Dean's soul.
Unless Kripke and Co. are trying to rewrite all of the soul-stuff so that it's simply a marker of existence, rather like the gold poker chip in the great Texas Hold 'em game of life -- which really? I love Kripke and co. the way I love small clever dogs and children, but no. Honest -- they aren't that thinky. Also, lest we forget, just last week Dean was having hot exotic dancer wet dreams, so obviously, the libido, she is not dead.
If Dean was missing his soul...I mean seriously, no one else noticed, like Cas, or Anna, Or Uriel, or Michael for god's sake?
So, my first reaction was, DEAN! Why are you listening to FAMINE? The Horsemen of scarcity and want? Why in God's name (or Sam's or John) would you listen to him, no matter how wretched and tired you feel when you didn't listen to War. You muscled on through the YED, you all but spat in Michael's face. And this guy you listen to?
Dude. He feeds off the hunger and want -- even if it's want for purposes and hope.
Open-handedly thwaps Dean on the side of the head.
As for the rest: Demon-blood tanked Sam is not my favorite version, although I admittedly cheered when the demons got what they deserved and way more than they expected. And the fact that Famine sent them to Sam, specifically for to tempt and turn him to the benefit of Satan (Yes, he CALLED HIM SATAN. I cannot say how much it GLEES me that someone finally tossed that moniker into the mix. Channels the Church Lady) But... BUT...
Not for the first time do I sit and go Hmmmm at how much both sides want the Brother's Winchester to say yes to their respective ego-maniacal angels -- to the extent of GOING out of their way to maneuver the boys into situations that will both a) persuade them that saying yes is the only outcome and b) putting them in peril or people they love to further that aim, or temptation.
Because seriously, both Team Demon and Team Angel want this fight. They want the Luci/Mike throw down of doom.
Personally, I think Dean nailed the actual stakes of this fight last week. Free Will. Personal Agency. That trait that humans have but that Angels and Demons do not. (Demons either although it looks different because they are continuously bound by the choice that got them to hell in the first place. Demons can't be, as far as I can tell, repurposed or reclaimed or redeemed, once that demon class ring is accepted. Dean never became a demon, nor did John. In ?Dena's case, he only succumbed tot he demands of one, unlike Ruby who made the choice to take that final step from her former human state to the demon one.
Anyway in my heart of hearts (and I think I said this in an earlier post) the stake here is not the survival of the world per se...what's at stake in this epic battle is the ability of mankind to remain unique in the pantheon of creations, in that individual and collectively, humans are bound to no one path or belief outside of their own will to be so. They can makes choices and fail and make new choices, they can believe or not believe and yet the simple change of position in their beliefs kind of resets their own existence in that moment. And Mikey and Luci can pontificate all they want, and the Cherub too, about John and Mary, but there is that old adage about leading a horse to water but being unable to make him drink, and other parts of Mikey's story are not syncing, because if what's he's saying is true, then it's John's bloodline and Not Mary's that makes *both* boys the prime choice in Angelic vessels, so unless the whole point is to play out this brotherly whoop-ass by proxy, or there are no other existing Winchesters in all the world, Luci could take on any of the bloodline (or Michael for that matter.)
(Yes, I'm handwaving the fact that this would be a much less interesting story if we were doing the Winchesters of Hazard, wherein the boys were cousins rather than brother.)
Thus far nothing I've seen this season dissuades me of the idea that free will is the actual prize here -- that it's possible that should the time come, it's not that Mike and Luci actually have to say fight, but that the boys have to say yes and by into the idea that free will is an illusion. That would be the way to loose the war of the apocalypse -- to undermine that one creation that God supposedly cherishes about all by proving to him that really, see, they aren't all that special. And I suspect that it's not that just one of them has to say yes to kick off the big "Told you so!" moment to God, but that both of them do.
Until then...thwaps Dean again. Sorry, handsome, your bother just kicked some serious demon ass, and he did it without ODing on the demon blood or their essence, ergo, you do not get to over-indulge in the angst. Everybody you *love* thinks you are a good guy. Suck it up.
Last note: Sam being able to *smell* demons had me falling on the floor laughing.
Whilst we consider the absence or presence of Dean's soul (which I'm not buying that it's absent -- damaged and hiding perhaps, but yeah, no;) since he obviously still cares and grieves and laughs and all those things that the soul is supposed to be the engine for, let us look at what did not happen in this episode -- like the fact that there's no reason to believe Famine's claim about the state or lack of state to Dean's soul.
Unless Kripke and Co. are trying to rewrite all of the soul-stuff so that it's simply a marker of existence, rather like the gold poker chip in the great Texas Hold 'em game of life -- which really? I love Kripke and co. the way I love small clever dogs and children, but no. Honest -- they aren't that thinky. Also, lest we forget, just last week Dean was having hot exotic dancer wet dreams, so obviously, the libido, she is not dead.
If Dean was missing his soul...I mean seriously, no one else noticed, like Cas, or Anna, Or Uriel, or Michael for god's sake?
So, my first reaction was, DEAN! Why are you listening to FAMINE? The Horsemen of scarcity and want? Why in God's name (or Sam's or John) would you listen to him, no matter how wretched and tired you feel when you didn't listen to War. You muscled on through the YED, you all but spat in Michael's face. And this guy you listen to?
Dude. He feeds off the hunger and want -- even if it's want for purposes and hope.
Open-handedly thwaps Dean on the side of the head.
As for the rest: Demon-blood tanked Sam is not my favorite version, although I admittedly cheered when the demons got what they deserved and way more than they expected. And the fact that Famine sent them to Sam, specifically for to tempt and turn him to the benefit of Satan (Yes, he CALLED HIM SATAN. I cannot say how much it GLEES me that someone finally tossed that moniker into the mix. Channels the Church Lady) But... BUT...
Not for the first time do I sit and go Hmmmm at how much both sides want the Brother's Winchester to say yes to their respective ego-maniacal angels -- to the extent of GOING out of their way to maneuver the boys into situations that will both a) persuade them that saying yes is the only outcome and b) putting them in peril or people they love to further that aim, or temptation.
Because seriously, both Team Demon and Team Angel want this fight. They want the Luci/Mike throw down of doom.
Personally, I think Dean nailed the actual stakes of this fight last week. Free Will. Personal Agency. That trait that humans have but that Angels and Demons do not. (Demons either although it looks different because they are continuously bound by the choice that got them to hell in the first place. Demons can't be, as far as I can tell, repurposed or reclaimed or redeemed, once that demon class ring is accepted. Dean never became a demon, nor did John. In ?Dena's case, he only succumbed tot he demands of one, unlike Ruby who made the choice to take that final step from her former human state to the demon one.
Anyway in my heart of hearts (and I think I said this in an earlier post) the stake here is not the survival of the world per se...what's at stake in this epic battle is the ability of mankind to remain unique in the pantheon of creations, in that individual and collectively, humans are bound to no one path or belief outside of their own will to be so. They can makes choices and fail and make new choices, they can believe or not believe and yet the simple change of position in their beliefs kind of resets their own existence in that moment. And Mikey and Luci can pontificate all they want, and the Cherub too, about John and Mary, but there is that old adage about leading a horse to water but being unable to make him drink, and other parts of Mikey's story are not syncing, because if what's he's saying is true, then it's John's bloodline and Not Mary's that makes *both* boys the prime choice in Angelic vessels, so unless the whole point is to play out this brotherly whoop-ass by proxy, or there are no other existing Winchesters in all the world, Luci could take on any of the bloodline (or Michael for that matter.)
(Yes, I'm handwaving the fact that this would be a much less interesting story if we were doing the Winchesters of Hazard, wherein the boys were cousins rather than brother.)
Thus far nothing I've seen this season dissuades me of the idea that free will is the actual prize here -- that it's possible that should the time come, it's not that Mike and Luci actually have to say fight, but that the boys have to say yes and by into the idea that free will is an illusion. That would be the way to loose the war of the apocalypse -- to undermine that one creation that God supposedly cherishes about all by proving to him that really, see, they aren't all that special. And I suspect that it's not that just one of them has to say yes to kick off the big "Told you so!" moment to God, but that both of them do.
Until then...thwaps Dean again. Sorry, handsome, your bother just kicked some serious demon ass, and he did it without ODing on the demon blood or their essence, ergo, you do not get to over-indulge in the angst. Everybody you *love* thinks you are a good guy. Suck it up.
Last note: Sam being able to *smell* demons had me falling on the floor laughing.
